Comments on: The Broken Scene http://www.kingsofar.com/2006/11/01/the-broken-scene/ Welcome to Kings of A&R, the #1 music industry site in the world where fresh new faces get discovered Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:38:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Yunners http://www.kingsofar.com/2006/11/01/the-broken-scene/comment-page-1/#comment-6460 Yunners Fri, 17 Nov 2006 11:09:58 +0000 http://www.kingsofar.com/2006/11/01/the-broken-scene/#comment-6460 Just read your article, well really I skim read it >_> but oh well, and found it rather interesting unlike most blog-like things I accidentally stumble across I found it interesting. (By the way, that's quite the compliment from me.) But yes, although what you have focused upon in this article is mostly what goes on where people can see, on the radio, Tv etc.. my main focus on what I do is merely making the music and shaping it into what I want it to be. Myself and a few friends have teamed together, quite recently for they didn't know that I could play guitar, and begun putting some form of lyrics to the little tunes I put together. Of course, it started off with just myself and one of my friends that I happened to show off to (lol). For me music is entirely what it should be; just music. We haven't recorded anything because I don't want to get bogged down with this thing called "music industry" which seems to have become watered down. I create music because I want to; it's how I express myself, I don't want to create music to make money (although if I could it would probably help me alot for I'm not the wealthiest of people). Perhaps one of these days I'll get around to recording something and sticking it on a disk so I can remember exactly how it goes, and perhaps send it to a few friends as a christmas present or something, but personally this "music industry" is somewhat idiotic. To me, a true artist that creates music should do it because they want to create music, not because they want to generate money. Just read your article, well really I skim read it >_> but oh well, and found it rather interesting unlike most blog-like things I accidentally stumble across I found it interesting. (By the way, that’s quite the compliment from me.)

But yes, although what you have focused upon in this article is mostly what goes on where people can see, on the radio, Tv etc.. my main focus on what I do is merely making the music and shaping it into what I want it to be.

Myself and a few friends have teamed together, quite recently for they didn’t know that I could play guitar, and begun putting some form of lyrics to the little tunes I put together. Of course, it started off with just myself and one of my friends that I happened to show off to (lol).

For me music is entirely what it should be; just music. We haven’t recorded anything because I don’t want to get bogged down with this thing called “music industry” which seems to have become watered down. I create music because I want to; it’s how I express myself, I don’t want to create music to make money (although if I could it would probably help me alot for I’m not the wealthiest of people).

Perhaps one of these days I’ll get around to recording something and sticking it on a disk so I can remember exactly how it goes, and perhaps send it to a few friends as a christmas present or something, but personally this “music industry” is somewhat idiotic. To me, a true artist that creates music should do it because they want to create music, not because they want to generate money.

]]> By: Thom http://www.kingsofar.com/2006/11/01/the-broken-scene/comment-page-1/#comment-6139 Thom Mon, 13 Nov 2006 06:28:22 +0000 http://www.kingsofar.com/2006/11/01/the-broken-scene/#comment-6139 Look at it this way…you can draft a guy in the first round…pay him a lot of money up front and you industry) HAVE to make sure they pan out no matter how bad your judgement was on that pick!(todays industry) or you can draft a guy in the 7th round, pay him absolutly nohting, but stick him in a system to grow and become something where they can show their true colors (years gone by, real A&R)this is something that does NOT exist in the business today…..you get 1 shot at radio…maybe 5 weeks at the most and if the single doesnt stick….bye bye" A FUCKING MEN. Look at it this way…you can draft a guy in the first round…pay him a lot of money up front and you industry) HAVE to make sure they pan out no matter how bad your judgement was on that pick!(todays industry) or you can draft a guy in the 7th round, pay him absolutly nohting, but stick him in a system to grow and become something where they can show their true colors (years gone by, real A&R)this is something that does NOT exist in the business today…..you get 1 shot at radio…maybe 5 weeks at the most and if the single doesnt stick….bye bye”

A FUCKING MEN.

]]> By: real mad http://www.kingsofar.com/2006/11/01/the-broken-scene/comment-page-1/#comment-5316 real mad Fri, 03 Nov 2006 20:12:34 +0000 http://www.kingsofar.com/2006/11/01/the-broken-scene/#comment-5316 People .. listen up .. Ozzfest was an outlet for good rock/metal music back in 19 or whatever up until 2003 .. it has shifted into a "scene" that doesn't make sense or sells for that matter .. its that simple .. its not a biased opin .. its from statistics online & magazine articles. People .. listen up .. Ozzfest was an outlet for good rock/metal music back in 19 or whatever up until 2003 .. it has shifted into a “scene” that doesn’t make sense or sells for that matter .. its that simple .. its not a biased opin .. its from statistics online & magazine articles.

]]> By: Zach http://www.kingsofar.com/2006/11/01/the-broken-scene/comment-page-1/#comment-5315 Zach Fri, 03 Nov 2006 19:28:46 +0000 http://www.kingsofar.com/2006/11/01/the-broken-scene/#comment-5315 It all comes down to an idea, a tune, and a flat top. Write tons of songs, move people, be yourself...you'll last. It all comes down to an idea, a tune, and a flat top. Write tons of songs, move people, be yourself…you’ll last.

]]> By: Shane http://www.kingsofar.com/2006/11/01/the-broken-scene/comment-page-1/#comment-5306 Shane Fri, 03 Nov 2006 14:59:23 +0000 http://www.kingsofar.com/2006/11/01/the-broken-scene/#comment-5306 Dean, I love reading these things. Hope all is well. Shane Dean,

I love reading these things. Hope all is well.

Shane

]]> By: gt http://www.kingsofar.com/2006/11/01/the-broken-scene/comment-page-1/#comment-5302 gt Fri, 03 Nov 2006 13:32:10 +0000 http://www.kingsofar.com/2006/11/01/the-broken-scene/#comment-5302 I agree with ALL of your points except for one. 14 year olds are NOT STUPID MUSIC FANS...they are listening to MORE classic rock than any other genre out there...PERIOD!!!!! walk the streets..come one..how many 14 year old kids out there are wearing AC/DC shirts..listening and BUYING Led Zepplin...Black Sabbath!!!!saying what you said about 14 year old kids is really out of touch, aka the industry.. There is NO room for originality in the music "business" because it is going down like a hooker on the corner on a friday night!, theres just NOT enough time....A&R Guys are marketing guys who HAVE to sella product... Whyis it not working? because they do NOT know how to handle originality!! The phrase "cookie cutter" comes from the way they promote these bands...sell them.....market them....there is no innovative ways to do this...Where are the NEW Floms, Eisners, Lippmons....Iovines???? How many out there have heard, " we want a finshed product!" or " we NEED a band that's tour ready!" or my personal fav..."whats your numbers look like, how many units you scanning?" I mean i am IN a band right now that has sold MORE records than a crap load of Signed bands and that dont mean crap..... The modern day music industry does not afford bands the time to grow and become great...it IS a bubble gum factory... I mean, come on AFI = rock and roll WHITE STRIPES ARE ROCK AND ROLL!!!! How is Mars Volta NOT huge and Wolfmother is massive because they are friends with Bam Magera!!!! Look at it this way...you can draft a guy in the first round...pay him a lot of money up front and you industry) HAVE to make sure they pan out no matter how bad your judgement was on that pick!(todays industry) or you can draft a guy in the 7th round, pay him absolutly nohting, but stick him in a system to grow and become something where they can show their true colors (years gone by, real A&R)this is something that does NOT exist in the business today.....you get 1 shot at radio...maybe 5 weeks at the most and if the single doesnt stick....bye bye ...modern rock radio....35 slots on a radio playlist are for the fattest kids in the lunchline.... this IS what we all signed up for... I mean you cant be an architect and HATE houses! it IS what it is.... I agree with ALL of your points except for one.
14 year olds are NOT STUPID MUSIC FANS…they are listening to MORE classic rock than any other genre out there…PERIOD!!!!!
walk the streets..come one..how many 14 year old kids out there are wearing AC/DC shirts..listening and BUYING Led Zepplin…Black Sabbath!!!!saying what you said about 14 year old kids is really out of touch, aka the industry..
There is NO room for originality in the music “business” because it is going down like a hooker on the corner on a friday night!, theres just NOT enough time….A&R Guys are marketing guys who HAVE to sella product…
Whyis it not working? because they do NOT know how to handle originality!! The phrase “cookie cutter” comes from the way they promote these bands…sell them…..market them….there is no innovative ways to do this…Where are the NEW Floms, Eisners, Lippmons….Iovines????
How many out there have heard, ” we want a finshed product!” or ” we NEED a band that’s tour ready!” or my personal fav…”whats your numbers look like, how many units you scanning?” I mean i am IN a band right now that has sold MORE records than a crap load of Signed bands and that dont mean crap…..
The modern day music industry does not afford bands the time to grow and become great…it IS a bubble gum factory…
I mean, come on AFI = rock and roll WHITE STRIPES ARE ROCK AND ROLL!!!! How is Mars Volta NOT huge and Wolfmother is massive because they are friends with Bam Magera!!!!
Look at it this way…you can draft a guy in the first round…pay him a lot of money up front and you industry) HAVE to make sure they pan out no matter how bad your judgement was on that pick!(todays industry) or you can draft a guy in the 7th round, pay him absolutly nohting, but stick him in a system to grow and become something where they can show their true colors (years gone by, real A&R)this is something that does NOT exist in the business today…..you get 1 shot at radio…maybe 5 weeks at the most and if the single doesnt stick….bye bye
…modern rock radio….35 slots on a radio playlist are for the fattest kids in the lunchline….
this IS what we all signed up for…
I mean you cant be an architect and HATE houses!
it IS what it is….

]]> By: Jamie Rowe http://www.kingsofar.com/2006/11/01/the-broken-scene/comment-page-1/#comment-5294 Jamie Rowe Fri, 03 Nov 2006 08:25:49 +0000 http://www.kingsofar.com/2006/11/01/the-broken-scene/#comment-5294 Dean- This is one of your best pieces I have read in the few years that I have been coming here. "Imitation" is the best single word to describe the current music scene. I feel bad for teens who are just now discovering music. They are offered plates of mediocrity that has been deemed "amazing" by a calculated marketing plan. Speaking of marketing, cookie cutter marketing wasn't, in my opinion, such a bad thing...if certain things were working..hey, why not. But when the marketing plan became the glove the music itself HAD to fit into, well you can see where that has gotten us. ;-( Just today I was thinking about Brooke Hogan. The public saw how she was "put together" on that VH1 reality show. Just get the right team in place, then "just add Brooke" and voila! Kinda hard to value something that is so shallow....or am I alone on this? jamie Dean-
This is one of your best pieces I have read in the few years that I have been coming here. “Imitation” is the best single word to describe the current music scene. I feel bad for teens who are just now discovering music. They are offered plates of mediocrity that has been deemed “amazing” by a calculated marketing plan. Speaking of marketing, cookie cutter marketing wasn’t, in my opinion, such a bad thing…if certain things were working..hey, why not. But when the marketing plan became the glove the music itself HAD to fit into, well you can see where that has gotten us. ;-(
Just today I was thinking about Brooke Hogan. The public saw how she was “put together” on that VH1 reality show. Just get the right team in place, then “just add Brooke” and voila! Kinda hard to value something that is so shallow….or am I alone on this?
jamie

]]> By: Brandon http://www.kingsofar.com/2006/11/01/the-broken-scene/comment-page-1/#comment-5288 Brandon Fri, 03 Nov 2006 04:28:17 +0000 http://www.kingsofar.com/2006/11/01/the-broken-scene/#comment-5288 I actually completely agree with this article. Regardless of the genre of the music, the SONGS comprise the greatest bit of ARTISTRY on a record. The author mentioned Green Day; they could be a polka genre artist for all I care; but the one thing that is universal about them is that someone in the band is a real SONGWRITER. Take a band like THE EAGLES; before "Hell Freezes Over" in 1994 those guys had not done a single thing in 14 years! What happened at the release of that record? MULTI-PLATINUM STATUS! PEOPLE HAD ACTUALLY BEEN WAITING ON THAT RECORD FOR 14 YEARS BECAUSE THEY WERE STARVED FOR A GREAT SONG!!!!!!!!! They STILL play to sold out STADIUMS across the world at whatever ticket price they want and the list goes on and on and on for these guys..... You want to "save the music" and have a big record; write a record worth buying. It's not the producer, mix engineer, radio promoter, or whoever that makes a hit record in the end; it's the songwriter. When we get back to that, maybe the world will find another EAGLE'S, GUNS N' ROSES,etc and the genre will not really matter that much. That is the truth. I actually completely agree with this article. Regardless of the genre of the music, the SONGS comprise the greatest bit of ARTISTRY on a record. The author mentioned Green Day; they could be a polka genre artist for all I care; but the one thing that is universal about them is that someone in the band is a real SONGWRITER. Take a band like THE EAGLES; before “Hell Freezes Over” in 1994 those guys had not done a single thing in 14 years! What happened at the release of that record? MULTI-PLATINUM STATUS! PEOPLE HAD ACTUALLY BEEN WAITING ON THAT RECORD FOR 14 YEARS BECAUSE THEY WERE STARVED FOR A GREAT SONG!!!!!!!!! They STILL play to sold out STADIUMS across the world at whatever ticket price they want and the list goes on and on and on for these guys…..

You want to “save the music” and have a big record; write a record worth buying. It’s not the producer, mix engineer, radio promoter, or whoever that makes a hit record in the end; it’s the songwriter. When we get back to that, maybe the world will find another EAGLE’S, GUNS N’ ROSES,etc and the genre will not really matter that much. That is the truth.

]]> By: larry anderson http://www.kingsofar.com/2006/11/01/the-broken-scene/comment-page-1/#comment-5285 larry anderson Fri, 03 Nov 2006 01:57:04 +0000 http://www.kingsofar.com/2006/11/01/the-broken-scene/#comment-5285 sound like every band on the radio,look like every band in the magazines,and get signed and have maybe a life span of 3 years.the 14 year old buying public could care less about originality. sound like every band on the radio,look like every band in the magazines,and get signed and have maybe a life span of 3 years.the 14 year old buying public could care less about originality.

]]> By: sigh http://www.kingsofar.com/2006/11/01/the-broken-scene/comment-page-1/#comment-5284 sigh Fri, 03 Nov 2006 00:58:33 +0000 http://www.kingsofar.com/2006/11/01/the-broken-scene/#comment-5284 Just because some friends of yours are in a band that you think kicks ass doesn't mean they're relevant to a national assessment of popular music. While I disagree with alot of the details in this article, overall I think it's pretty accurate. Labels can't sign something that doesn't exist, and most bands suck. I think that was the main point and that came across. If you're saying that people shouldn't talk about things they aren't elbow deep in, what are you doing commenting on an industry publication? This is a website that talks about the overall music landscape, particularly popular music, not some elitist genre-specific ezine only for people with the right clothes and tats. I thought Ozzfest was supposed to be all about metal, but for the past couple years its been mostly bands who label THEMSELVES as 'hardcore.' Be pissed at the bands that are making you look bad, not the people calling it out. Just because some friends of yours are in a band that you think kicks ass doesn’t mean they’re relevant to a national assessment of popular music.

While I disagree with alot of the details in this article, overall I think it’s pretty accurate. Labels can’t sign something that doesn’t exist, and most bands suck. I think that was the main point and that came across.

If you’re saying that people shouldn’t talk about things they aren’t elbow deep in, what are you doing commenting on an industry publication? This is a website that talks about the overall music landscape, particularly popular music, not some elitist genre-specific ezine only for people with the right clothes and tats.

I thought Ozzfest was supposed to be all about metal, but for the past couple years its been mostly bands who label THEMSELVES as ‘hardcore.’ Be pissed at the bands that are making you look bad, not the people calling it out.

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