Comments on: A World Gone Mad, The Anti-Piracy Movement, and Recommended Listening… http://www.kingsofar.com/2008/01/24/a-world-gone-mad-the-anti-piracy-movement-and-recommended-listening/ Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:48:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Jon Cole http://www.kingsofar.com/2008/01/24/a-world-gone-mad-the-anti-piracy-movement-and-recommended-listening/#comment-111828 Jon Cole Sat, 26 Jan 2008 00:14:46 +0000 http://www.kingsofar.com/2008/01/24/a-world-gone-mad-the-anti-piracy-movement-and-recommended-listening/#comment-111828 I think saying "the value of music is 0" is overboard, but not necessary that far off. You can't ignore that the value of a song has dropped significantly at the hands of quality control & technology. It's got to make sense for people to buy music & for that to happen the price has got to drop. The volume spike would, ideally, counteract the price drop (this is when paid downloads would really take off), & then merch & ticket sales still comes in on top of this. If we're saying music still has a monetary value, the key is getting people participate in the process of buying music again. In my opinion, dropping the price of a song by 75% or so is the only plausible solution. The ISP solution is only going to push users towards encrypted transfers. In all likelihood, the Pirate Bay's successor to the torrent will address this & propagate pretty quickly, making all the effort for naught. Litigation & filtering are not the answers. This needs to be addressed from the consumer's perspective. I think saying “the value of music is 0″ is overboard, but not necessary that far off. You can’t ignore that the value of a song has dropped significantly at the hands of quality control & technology. It’s got to make sense for people to buy music & for that to happen the price has got to drop.

The volume spike would, ideally, counteract the price drop (this is when paid downloads would really take off), & then merch & ticket sales still comes in on top of this. If we’re saying music still has a monetary value, the key is getting people participate in the process of buying music again. In my opinion, dropping the price of a song by 75% or so is the only plausible solution.

The ISP solution is only going to push users towards encrypted transfers. In all likelihood, the Pirate Bay’s successor to the torrent will address this & propagate pretty quickly, making all the effort for naught. Litigation & filtering are not the answers. This needs to be addressed from the consumer’s perspective.

]]> By: Leslie Breaux http://www.kingsofar.com/2008/01/24/a-world-gone-mad-the-anti-piracy-movement-and-recommended-listening/#comment-111791 Leslie Breaux Fri, 25 Jan 2008 21:14:23 +0000 http://www.kingsofar.com/2008/01/24/a-world-gone-mad-the-anti-piracy-movement-and-recommended-listening/#comment-111791 So let me get this straight. "If the music is bad it should be given away". And if the music is good it should be sold for X amount of dollars. With statements like that, no wonder everything is so crazy. The only music that should ever ever be given away is if the ARTIST chose too or the record company is doing some promo or something. Now I can understand up and coming artist giving out some demos because that is the start up cost for any company. But for the industry to just roll over and give it away goes against economic sense. Sitting around waiting for artist to make a living through concerts and t-shirt sales is plain crazy. Obviously these people have never toured. It cost real money just to get in the van, bus whatever and get on the road. I could write a book about it... So let me get this straight. “If the music is bad it should be given away”. And if the music is good it should be sold for X amount of dollars. With statements like that, no wonder everything is so crazy. The only music that should ever ever be given away is if the ARTIST chose too or the record company is doing some promo or something. Now I can understand up and coming artist giving out some demos because that is the start up cost for any company. But for the industry to just roll over and give it away goes against economic sense. Sitting around waiting for artist to make a living through concerts and t-shirt sales is plain crazy. Obviously these people have never toured. It cost real money just to get in the van, bus whatever and get on the road. I could write a book about it…

]]> By: rich http://www.kingsofar.com/2008/01/24/a-world-gone-mad-the-anti-piracy-movement-and-recommended-listening/#comment-111786 rich Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:46:55 +0000 http://www.kingsofar.com/2008/01/24/a-world-gone-mad-the-anti-piracy-movement-and-recommended-listening/#comment-111786 it has a lot to do with quality and experience. Pricing is always associated with quality. it has a lot to do with quality and experience. Pricing is always associated with quality.

]]> By: Jon Cole http://www.kingsofar.com/2008/01/24/a-world-gone-mad-the-anti-piracy-movement-and-recommended-listening/#comment-111774 Jon Cole Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:06:47 +0000 http://www.kingsofar.com/2008/01/24/a-world-gone-mad-the-anti-piracy-movement-and-recommended-listening/#comment-111774 Water can't be duplicated with a right click. It's not that there is an unlimited supply of musicians or songs, but there is no longer a scarcity of recorded music. It has nothing to do with the quality. Water can’t be duplicated with a right click. It’s not that there is an unlimited supply of musicians or songs, but there is no longer a scarcity of recorded music. It has nothing to do with the quality.

]]> By: rich http://www.kingsofar.com/2008/01/24/a-world-gone-mad-the-anti-piracy-movement-and-recommended-listening/#comment-111747 rich Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:37:55 +0000 http://www.kingsofar.com/2008/01/24/a-world-gone-mad-the-anti-piracy-movement-and-recommended-listening/#comment-111747 stu - I see you point, but disagree with your analogy Economics 101: If there is an unlimited supply of something, the price should be zero. correct me if I'm wrong, but i believe you are making a point that we have an unlimited supply of music, therefor the price should be zero. We have an unlimited supply of water too, but the bottled watered industry is a multi billion dollar industry. Most people dont want to drink tainted or dirty faucet water and are more than happy to cough up 2 to 3 bucks. Music is the same. If the music is bad, tainted, mediocre it will and should be free. But of course, great songs like pure filtered water should have a price tag. Great artists that give away free music may as well throw themselves into the unfiltered mucky reservoir. stu -

I see you point, but disagree with your analogy

Economics 101: If there is an unlimited supply of something, the price should be zero.

correct me if I’m wrong, but i believe you are making a point that we have an unlimited supply of music, therefor the price should be zero.

We have an unlimited supply of water too, but the bottled watered industry is a multi billion dollar industry. Most people dont want to drink tainted or dirty faucet water and are more than happy to cough up 2 to 3 bucks.

Music is the same. If the music is bad, tainted, mediocre it will and should be free. But of course, great songs like pure filtered water should have a price tag.

Great artists that give away free music may as well throw themselves into the unfiltered mucky reservoir.

]]> By: longino http://www.kingsofar.com/2008/01/24/a-world-gone-mad-the-anti-piracy-movement-and-recommended-listening/#comment-111742 longino Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:22:01 +0000 http://www.kingsofar.com/2008/01/24/a-world-gone-mad-the-anti-piracy-movement-and-recommended-listening/#comment-111742 Oh, and great recordings are still the key to being successful. Without them, no one will care anyway! Oh, and great recordings are still the key to being successful. Without them, no one will care anyway!

]]> By: longino http://www.kingsofar.com/2008/01/24/a-world-gone-mad-the-anti-piracy-movement-and-recommended-listening/#comment-111739 longino Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:17:30 +0000 http://www.kingsofar.com/2008/01/24/a-world-gone-mad-the-anti-piracy-movement-and-recommended-listening/#comment-111739 Mixer/Producer Billy Hume explained it to me best. In today's climate, recorded music is now a Loss Leader, meaning the recordings are made at a loss in order to get music fans to buy concert tickets and merchandise. His example, if Home Depot has a sale on vacuum cleaners, they mark them down at a loss to get people in the stores, who will more than likely buy additional regular-priced items. Let's face it, music will be free until some kind of legistation is put into place, if ever. Record sales are quickly becoming a thing of the past, so musicians need to focus on playing live, licensing, and selling merch if they hope to make a living at it. Mixer/Producer Billy Hume explained it to me best. In today’s climate, recorded music is now a Loss Leader, meaning the recordings are made at a loss in order to get music fans to buy concert tickets and merchandise. His example, if Home Depot has a sale on vacuum cleaners, they mark them down at a loss to get people in the stores, who will more than likely buy additional regular-priced items. Let’s face it, music will be free until some kind of legistation is put into place, if ever. Record sales are quickly becoming a thing of the past, so musicians need to focus on playing live, licensing, and selling merch if they hope to make a living at it.

]]> By: Stu Gots http://www.kingsofar.com/2008/01/24/a-world-gone-mad-the-anti-piracy-movement-and-recommended-listening/#comment-111532 Stu Gots Fri, 25 Jan 2008 05:22:55 +0000 http://www.kingsofar.com/2008/01/24/a-world-gone-mad-the-anti-piracy-movement-and-recommended-listening/#comment-111532 I disagree, Rich. Fact of the matter is, recorded music is free. Ain't no changing that. Time to embrace it and focus on the myriad of other methods of funding a career as a musician. Regarding the laws of economics - think about this -- Economics 101: If there is an unlimited supply of something, the price should be zero. I disagree, Rich. Fact of the matter is, recorded music is free. Ain’t no changing that. Time to embrace it and focus on the myriad of other methods of funding a career as a musician.

Regarding the laws of economics - think about this — Economics 101: If there is an unlimited supply of something, the price should be zero.

]]> By: rich http://www.kingsofar.com/2008/01/24/a-world-gone-mad-the-anti-piracy-movement-and-recommended-listening/#comment-111470 rich Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:39:40 +0000 http://www.kingsofar.com/2008/01/24/a-world-gone-mad-the-anti-piracy-movement-and-recommended-listening/#comment-111470 Stu - I think the article hit the point home. It was about music being free and DRM Free music. The talk of giving music away is really silly. It doesn't make any sense and defies the laws of economics. If the music sucks, then of course it should be free, but quality always sells.. Stu -

I think the article hit the point home. It was about music being free and DRM Free music. The talk of giving music away is really silly. It doesn’t make any sense and defies the laws of economics. If the music sucks, then of course it should be free, but quality always sells..

]]> By: Stu Gots http://www.kingsofar.com/2008/01/24/a-world-gone-mad-the-anti-piracy-movement-and-recommended-listening/#comment-111458 Stu Gots Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:38:19 +0000 http://www.kingsofar.com/2008/01/24/a-world-gone-mad-the-anti-piracy-movement-and-recommended-listening/#comment-111458 Meh...That PCMag nyyerrd is leaving out an important point in his piece...he's under the impression that the only way an artist can survive is by selling recorded music. Couldn't be farther from the truth. Meh…That PCMag nyyerrd is leaving out an important point in his piece…he’s under the impression that the only way an artist can survive is by selling recorded music.

Couldn’t be farther from the truth.

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